Comments on: Jesus Did Not Die In Your Place http://www.christianmonthlystandard.com/index.php/jesus-did-not-die-in-your-place/ A Voice of Reason for the 21st Century Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:40:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jim Swindle http://www.christianmonthlystandard.com/index.php/jesus-did-not-die-in-your-place/comment-page-1/#comment-1049 Jim Swindle Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:11:21 +0000 http://www.christianmonthlystandard.com/?p=1080#comment-1049 I left a comment, but for some reason it was caught by your spam filter. Thanks for your thoughtful posts. Most I agree with. Some, like this one, I think go too far. May the Lord continue maturing you (and all of us, his people) in the faith. I left a comment, but for some reason it was caught by your spam filter. Thanks for your thoughtful posts. Most I agree with. Some, like this one, I think go too far. May the Lord continue maturing you (and all of us, his people) in the faith.

]]> By: Jim Swindle http://www.christianmonthlystandard.com/index.php/jesus-did-not-die-in-your-place/comment-page-1/#comment-1048 Jim Swindle Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:04:16 +0000 http://www.christianmonthlystandard.com/?p=1080#comment-1048 Thank you for your posts. You're right to point out some common misunderstandings, but I don't believe you're seeing the whole picture. Did Jesus die on the cross, so that we would not die in exactly that manner? No. Did he die "just for me?" No. He died for us. Yet was his death a penal, subtitutionary atonement? I'd say yes. It was penal: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us -- for it is written, Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree." --Galatians 3:13 It was substutionary, in the sense that he died so that we could live; he died for our sins. It was an atonement: "whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins." (Romans 3:25) Now, I'm not saying that penal substitutionary atonement fully explains what Jesus did on the cross. He died not only FOR us, but also AS us. I doubt that anyone outside of the Godhead fully understands it. Yet the death of Jesus was penal (he died for others' sins), it was substitutionary (in that he died for our sins, though not in the way that we would have died), and it was atonement (in that it turned God's wrath away from us). Thank you for your posts.
You’re right to point out some common misunderstandings, but I don’t believe you’re seeing the whole picture.
Did Jesus die on the cross, so that we would not die in exactly that manner? No.
Did he die “just for me?” No. He died for us.

Yet was his death a penal, subtitutionary atonement? I’d say yes.
It was penal: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree.” –Galatians 3:13
It was substutionary, in the sense that he died so that we could live; he died for our sins.
It was an atonement: “whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.” (Romans 3:25)

Now, I’m not saying that penal substitutionary atonement fully explains what Jesus did on the cross. He died not only FOR us, but also AS us. I doubt that anyone outside of the Godhead fully understands it. Yet the death of Jesus was penal (he died for others’ sins), it was substitutionary (in that he died for our sins, though not in the way that we would have died), and it was atonement (in that it turned God’s wrath away from us).

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